Comments on: the Prophet’s character http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/ on the path of the Beloved Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:42:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: ibnAshraf http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1519 ibnAshraf Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:42:44 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1519 http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_islam_permit_muslim_men_to_rape_their_slave_girls_ Also gives a comparison to what is written in the Bible. I've found plenty of articles and books dealing with this issue. http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/does_islam_permit_muslim_men_to_rape_their_slave_girls_

Also gives a comparison to what is written in the Bible. I’ve found plenty of articles and books dealing with this issue.

]]> By: Oum Amir http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1511 Oum Amir Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:33:16 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1511 ibnAshraf, You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but as one who is not a Muslim and has serious questions and concerns about the prophethood of Muhammed, Ataie didn't provide any substantial rebuttals. Ergo, my request for something a bit more scholarly. Ataie didn't deal with any of the ahadith in any meaningful fashion, (i.e. looking at the text, offering context, providing explanations for the actions in question.) As for anon- I'm sorry, but that's the worst dodge ever. I don't put up with that excuse from my kindergarteners, (yeah, well, the other boys were doing that too!) and I'd expect better from adults. I'm asking honest questions, and I'm looking for honest answers. If that's the best you've got to provide, then I should dismiss your entire religion without a second thought for being so shallow-thinking. If I didn't think that some one within the sphere of Islam has thought about this a come to a good answer, I wouldn't ask. ibnAshraf,

You’re certainly welcome to your opinion, but as one who is not a Muslim and has serious questions and concerns about the prophethood of Muhammed, Ataie didn’t provide any substantial rebuttals. Ergo, my request for something a bit more scholarly. Ataie didn’t deal with any of the ahadith in any meaningful fashion, (i.e. looking at the text, offering context, providing explanations for the actions in question.)

As for anon-
I’m sorry, but that’s the worst dodge ever. I don’t put up with that excuse from my kindergarteners, (yeah, well, the other boys were doing that too!) and I’d expect better from adults. I’m asking honest questions, and I’m looking for honest answers. If that’s the best you’ve got to provide, then I should dismiss your entire religion without a second thought for being so shallow-thinking.

If I didn’t think that some one within the sphere of Islam has thought about this a come to a good answer, I wouldn’t ask.

]]> By: ibnAshraf http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1498 ibnAshraf Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:13:59 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1498 Actually, I think Ataie did a great job exposing the intellectual dishonesty, misquoting, and double standards Christian apologists use when bring up such topics Actually, I think Ataie did a great job exposing the intellectual dishonesty, misquoting, and double standards Christian apologists use when bring up such topics

]]> By: Anonymous http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1479 Anonymous Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:31:59 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1479 Perhaps one should better study the God of the Old Testament (aka Jesus according to Christians) to see the he commanded things far more "troubling" If everything Jesus commanded in the OT was worth emulating, would you also consider those things worthy? If not, why not? Perhaps one should better study the God of the Old Testament (aka Jesus according to Christians) to see the he commanded things far more “troubling”

If everything Jesus commanded in the OT was worth emulating, would you also consider those things worthy? If not, why not?

]]> By: Oum Amir http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1470 Oum Amir Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:40:45 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1470 ibnAshraf- That's funny. I actually already have that entire debate on my ipod. Do you have something that addresses this issue in a more scholarly manner? Ataie was all over the place and didn't respond all that well. ibnAshraf-

That’s funny. I actually already have that entire debate on my ipod. Do you have something that addresses this issue in a more scholarly manner? Ataie was all over the place and didn’t respond all that well.

]]> By: ibnAshraf http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1460 ibnAshraf Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:57:24 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1460 to Oum Amir, perhaps you should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mGGt90Uh8c to Oum Amir, perhaps you should watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mGGt90Uh8c

]]> By: UmmSqueakster http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1459 UmmSqueakster Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:38:48 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1459 That is a complicated issue I don't feel I can do justice to in the comment box. inshaAllah I'm working on something with AbuS about it that I'll post. That is a complicated issue I don’t feel I can do justice to in the comment box. inshaAllah I’m working on something with AbuS about it that I’ll post.

]]> By: Oum Amir http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1454 Oum Amir Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:15:08 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1454 If everything that Muhammed did was excellent, how do you deal with some of the more . . . troubling events of his life? Such as the ahadith that relate the practice of Muhammed allowing is followers to have relations with their captive women before selling them into slavery? (The way some of the Sahih Muslim hadith read is that the husbands of the captive women were still alive. And while the texts don't say one way or the other, I have a hard time believing that the relations were consensual considering the captive womens' families were just killed.) Ahadith: Sahih al-Bukhari 2229, 4138, 4350, 5210, 6603, 7409; Sahih Muslim 3371, 3373, 3383, 3432, 3433. I know that is quite a few listings, but I didn't want you to think that I'm just repeating a story third hand. If everything Muhammed did was worth emulating, would you also consider this worthy? If not, why not? If everything that Muhammed did was excellent, how do you deal with some of the more . . . troubling events of his life? Such as the ahadith that relate the practice of Muhammed allowing is followers to have relations with their captive women before selling them into slavery? (The way some of the Sahih Muslim hadith read is that the husbands of the captive women were still alive. And while the texts don’t say one way or the other, I have a hard time believing that the relations were consensual considering the captive womens’ families were just killed.)

Ahadith: Sahih al-Bukhari 2229, 4138, 4350, 5210, 6603, 7409; Sahih Muslim 3371, 3373, 3383, 3432, 3433.

I know that is quite a few listings, but I didn’t want you to think that I’m just repeating a story third hand.

If everything Muhammed did was worth emulating, would you also consider this worthy? If not, why not?

]]> By: UmmSqueakster http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1452 UmmSqueakster Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:42:50 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1452 Also, inshaAllah I have the opportunity to write a piece of readingislam.com, so I'll have a chance to write it all out in more detail. Also, inshaAllah I have the opportunity to write a piece of readingislam.com, so I’ll have a chance to write it all out in more detail.

]]> By: UmmSqueakster http://rahma.hadithuna.com/the-prophets-character/comment-page-1/#comment-1451 UmmSqueakster Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:39:22 +0000 http://rahma.hadithuna.com/?p=1110#comment-1451 Everything the Prophet (saws) did was excellent, but we do not emulate everything. However, what we do not emulate is not what you are getting at, I think. There were certain actions that were only for the Prophet (saws). For example, only the Prophet (saws) was allowed to fast every day outside of Ramadan. Only the Prophet (saws) was allowed to stand the entire night in prayer. His companions sought to emulate him in every action. If there was an action we are not suppose to do, then he would tell his companions not to imitate him in that matter. Everything the Prophet (saws) did was excellent, but we do not emulate everything. However, what we do not emulate is not what you are getting at, I think. There were certain actions that were only for the Prophet (saws). For example, only the Prophet (saws) was allowed to fast every day outside of Ramadan. Only the Prophet (saws) was allowed to stand the entire night in prayer.

His companions sought to emulate him in every action. If there was an action we are not suppose to do, then he would tell his companions not to imitate him in that matter.

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